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An Eye on Emergent
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Roger
on Wed 05 Oct 2005 10:50 PM PDT | Permanent Link
Are you part of the "emerging church conversation?" Sometimes, as a
critic, I'm treated as though I'm not part of it- as if we can only
converse with people we agree with. It's no surprise that I'm not a fan
of much that is considered "emerging church," but I'd like to give some
major kudos to the Next-Wave Ezine. They voluntarily published one of my book reviews in their latest issue. Allowing critical voices to participate is a trend I hope will grow in the emerging community.
Christianity Today's Leadership Journal has started a blog "Out of Ur." Their first feature is an interview with Brian McLaren and Tony Campolo. Does salvation mean wanting to be like Jesus? Dan Kimball explains why I miss Psalty. Thankfully, my experience of Psalty wasn't as frightening as the one pictured on his blog. You can now pre-order Brian McLaren's next book- The Secret Message of Jesus. Does he realize that when people like me hear that title we automatically think of gnosticism? Does he want us to think that? He gives a little more detail about the book on his site.
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Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Anonymous
on Thu 06 Oct 2005 06:13 AM PDT | Permanent Link
I love your blog! I have been reading it daily while I have been here in TN for a few weeks. It is much better than TV (which I only turn on about once a month these days). Thanks for the plethora of information. This blog is a real ministry. Keep up the good work, "Face" and "Murdock".
Dwayna Re: Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Amy
on Fri 07 Oct 2005 10:05 AM PDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Dwayna, thank you so much for reading and for your encouragement!
Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Tyler Watson
on Thu 06 Oct 2005 01:40 PM PDT | Profile | Permanent Link
When I hear "The Secret Message of Jesus" I think of two things: 1. either the gnosticism you mentioned or 2. Jesus' proclamation of the "secret of the Kingdom" (Mark 4.11). Depending on who's saying it determines which option. If it's someone like Dan Brown, I think option 1. If it's someone like Brian McLaren, I think option 2.
Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Anonymous
on Thu 06 Oct 2005 01:40 PM PDT | Permanent Link
murdock/roger -- dude! are you implying (from your link to my 7 year-old son's conversion story) that a 7 year-old wanting to be like Jesus does NOT consititute salvation?
(this is marko -- i'm blog-stupid enough to not be able to figure out how to get past your comment login) Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Roger
on Thu 06 Oct 2005 03:47 PM PDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Marko- dude, I wasn't implying anything about your son. My simple question was about salvation, which seems like a fair question. From what I can tell from the Bible, the sincere desire to follow Jesus is one of the fruits of someone who already has salvation- it's post gospel+conversion.
Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Anonymous
on Thu 06 Oct 2005 04:05 PM PDT | Permanent Link
marko here -- blog login deficient still...
the question you ask is a great question -- i'm with you on asking and talking about that question. but can you see how putting a link to my post about my son's beautiful self-initiated conversion in the middle of your post about how you're keeping an eye on the emerging church would come off as critical? how is my post about my son's response to jesus at a youth workers convention somehow about the emerging church? Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Anonymous
on Thu 06 Oct 2005 05:41 PM PDT | Permanent Link
marko again --
i just read your review of steve taylor's book, roger -- yes; that is exactly the kind of critical review we need. thanks. Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Roger
on Thu 06 Oct 2005 06:41 PM PDT | Profile | Permanent Link
I guess I can see how you might think the title "An Eye on Emergent" may be critical, but if you look at the link in context I didn't really criticize anything in this post (unless my reaction to McLaren's new title is considered criticism- which it shouldn't be). In fact, the very first thing I did was praise an emergent ezine. And the link's followed by Psalty. Psalty's not about the emerging church, but it's something someone in the emerging church was talking about, which is where your link fits as well. I think you're taking this too personally and out of context.
Thanks for the compliment on the review. Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Timbo
on Fri 07 Oct 2005 09:09 AM PDT | Profile | Permanent Link
"Are you part of the "emerging church conversation?" Sometimes, as a critic, I'm treated as though I'm not part of it- as if we can only converse with people we agree with."
I understand this felt lack of inclusion, and this is why I am becoming post-conversant and post-generous, opting instead to find a more gracious orthodoxy. Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Vicky
on Fri 07 Oct 2005 01:29 PM PDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Roger--I followed the link to your book review and liked it. Am learning alot about emergent churches just by reading various blogs including A team! Thanks--
+Vicky Re: An Eye on Emergent
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Bill
on Fri 14 Oct 2005 10:36 AM PDT | Profile | Permanent Link
I think it's a little silly for you to complain about the title of McLaren's next book. Is he being a little sensationalistic? Yes. Honestly, I think it's a little corny. But saying it makes you think of gnosticism? I understand the connection, but I think you're getting carried away.
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